Dental Drama: Tooth Problems on the Raw Diet (Part 1)


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NOTE: Before reading the rest of this, please check out my more recent article at Frugivore magazine, which talks about the role of fat-soluble vitamins in dental health—particularly in the context of vegan diets. Although I still think the information below is important, I’m now convinced that an insufficiency of vitamins D, K2, and A are the main reason so many vegans and raw vegans experience declining dental health.

Ah, teeth. Everyone’s favorite subject. In the land of the raw, no topic springs up quite as often as dental woes do—everything from cavities to sensitivity to receding gums to eroding enamel. It’s a little scary. And considering raw foodists probably do more chewing than any other humans on the planet, keeping our chompers in good shape is vital.

Before raw, my own teeth were in tip-top condition: only one tiny cavity when I was 12, perfect dental checkups, never needed braces. Dentists loved me, and I loved them. All was well.

Alas, after my first year as a raw foodist, reality bit me (with its own perfectly-whittled incisors): 14 cavities in one dental visit. That’s not a typo, although I kind of wish it was. I’m still dealing with the aftermath, and will probably never have a bite that fits together perfectly due to the grinding and drilling all that dental work required.

And my experience is an unfortunately common one. Amidst a laundry list of health improvements, many raw foodists find a startling decline in their oral health when they amp up the fruits and veggies and nuts—a paradox, considering that good nutrition and avoidance of refined sugar should improve the state of your mouth, not degrade it.

So what’s going on here?

It’s not just detox

There’s an odd belief floating around that cavities (and other dental damage) are signs your body is detoxing through your teeth, and are therefore normal when you first go raw. I’m not sure how many people believe this, but I’ve seen the cavities-as-detox theory proposed more than once—and it never fails to make me cringe. I like to keep an open mind, I really do. But if your teeth are decaying, it’s not a good thing—ever. If a tooth falls out, it’s probably not because your body is going to sprout a new, pretty, better one; it’s because something is very, very wrong.

After my own dental health crisis, I started researching like mad. Why do so many otherwise vibrant raw folks suffer from dental drama? Indeed, one of the few studies conducted on raw foodists shows a definite correlation between eating a 95 percent (or more) raw diet and acquiring dental caries—you can check out the abstract here: Dental erosions in subjects living on a raw food diet (1999)—so this is really more than anecdotal observation.

It seems tooth damage can be divided into two main categories: external factors and internal ones. In this post, let’s look at the former.

External factors

1. Eating frequency.

Many raw foodists—especially in the beginning of a dietary switch from cooked fare—ditch the three-square-meals-a-day mantra and become chronic grazers. Much of the time, this is the only conceivable way to consume enough calories; it’s either snack or starve, at least until you get used to eating a lot of bulk in one sitting.

Unfortunately, frequent eating spells trouble for teeth. The more often you put food in your mouth, the more often your teeth are exposed to sugars and acids from foods—and the less of a chance your saliva has to remineralize your enamel. (Saliva is a natural tooth-builder, rich in key minerals like calcium and phosphorus.) Even if no other eating habits change, turning into a grazer—or even an all-day juice and smoothie sipper—can contribute to enamel damage and decay.

The solution? Consolidate your eating schedule. Leave plenty of time between meals. If you must munch frequently, rinse your mouth out with water after eating, finish each meal with a mineral-rich food like greens, and floss, floss, floss until you can floss no more. Ideally, your day should be full of some large chunks of no-eating time so your saliva can work its remineralizing magic.

2. Nuts, dried fruit, and dehydrated foods.

Sticky, hard-to-scrape-off foods play a major role in dental damage. The longer food debris stays stuck on or between your teeth, the easier it is for bacteria to launch the process of decay. Nuts, dried fruit, and dehydrated foods—which fill the menus of many raw foodists, especially transitioning ones—tend to cling to tooth surfaces, providing a convenient meal for bacteria.

The solution? Eat these things sparingly, and when you do consume them, floss the debris out of your teeth immediately afterward.

3. Changes in dental health practices.

There seems to be some kind of rumor that wild animals—especially our higher primate relatives—live free from any sort of dental distress. As a result, going raw often comes with a shift in dental hygiene. If the chimps don’t brush on their natural diet, why should we?

Actually, animals do suffer from tooth decay and cavities, albeit not at the rate most humans do. Skeletons of dead chimpanzees in the wild, as well as examinations of live ones, frequently reveal cavities, broken or chipped teeth, decay, and other signs severe wear. Not to mention some pretty gnarly staining. Eating raw does not make you immune to dental problems. Not to mention, many of us are coming to raw with compromised health and not-so-perfect genes, so we’re already at a disadvantage to other creatures who’ve had a lifetime of good nutrition.

The solution? Keep flossing, keep brushing. If you had a successful dental health regimen on cooked food, don’t ditch it just because you go raw. If you’re concerned about chemicals and certain ingredients in oral health products, absolutely look into less toxic alternatives—but don’t stop brushing altogether. It won’t help. I promise.

4. Physical pH of raw foods.

You’ve probably heard of foods being “alkaline” or “acidic”—that is, some leave an alkaline residue after digestion, while others leave an acidic one. But when it comes to dental health, you’ve also got to consider the actual pH of food when it first enters your mouth and hits the surface of your teeth. Regardless of what happens to food after metabolization, the initial contact is what can cause the most damage.

Here’s a list of the pH of some raw foods taken from FDA measurements. The lower the number, the more acidic the food; 7 is considered neutral, although anything with a pH of 5 or greater is less likely to damage your teeth. Citrus often gets a bad rap, but notice that some other fruits—especially berries, plums, and grapes—have an even lower pH than oranges. And bear in mind that unripe fruit will typically have values lower than the ones listed.

For your viewing pleasure, I’ve highlighted the items under 5.0 pH in red.

Raw plant foods:

Aloe juice: 6.0 – 6.8
Apple, Red Delicious: 3.9
Apple, Golden Delicious: 3.6
Apple, Jonathan: 3.3
Apple, McIntosh: 3.3
Apricots: 3.3 – 4.8

Asparagus: 6 – 6.7
Avocado: 6.3 – 6.6
Bananas, red: 4.6 – 4.8
Bananas, yellow: 5.0 – 5.3
Beets: 5.3 – 6.6
Blackberries: 3.9 – 4.5
Blueberries: 3.1 – 3.3
Broccoli: 6.3 – 6.5
Cantaloupe: 6.1 – 6.6
Carrots: 5.9 – 6.4
Cauliflower: 5.6
Celery: 5.7 – 5.9
Cherries, Royal Ann: 3.8
Chives: 5.2 – 6.3
Coconut meat: 5.5 – 7.8
Corn: 5.9 – 7.3
Cucumbers: 5.1 – 5.8
Dates: 4.1 – 4.9
Eggplant: 5.5 – 6.5
Fennel: 5.5 – 5.9
Figs, Calamyrna: 5.2 – 6.0
Garlic: 5.8
Ginger: 5.6 – 5.9
Gooseberries: 2.8 – 3.1
Grapes, Concord: 2.8 – 3.0
Grapes, Lady Finger: 3.5 – 3.6
Grapes, Malaga: 3.7 – 3.8
Grapes, Muscadine: 3.2 – 3.4
Grapes, seedless: 2.9 – 3.8
Grapefruit: 3.0 – 3.8
Honey: 3.7 – 4.2
Jackfruit: 4.8 – 6.8
Jujube: 5.2
Kale: 6.4 – 6.8
Kelp: 6.3
Kumquat: 3.6 – 4.2
Leeks: 5.5 – 6.2
Lemon juice: 2.0 – 2.6
Lettuce, Boston: 5.9 – 6.1
Lettuce, iceberg: 5.7 – 6.1
Lettuce, romaine: 5.8 – 6.1
Lime juice: 2.0 – 2.4
Loganberries: 2.7 – 3.5
Lychee: 4.7 – 5.0
Mangos: 3.4 – 4.8

Mangosteen: 4.5 – 5.0
Melon, Casaba: 5.8 – 6.0
Melon, honeydew: 6.0 – 6.7
Melon, Persian: 5.9 – 6.4
Mushrooms: 6.0 – 6.7
Nectarines: 3.9 – 4.2
Onions, red: 5.3 – 5.8
Onions, white: 5.4 – 5.9
Onions, yellow: 5.3 – 5.6
Oranges, Florida: 3.7 – 4.3
Oranges, “color added”: 3.6 – 3.9
Papaya: 5.2 – 6.0
Parsley: 5.7 – 6.0
Peaches: 3.3 – 4.0
Pears, Bartlett: 3.5 – 4.6

Peppers, green: 5.2 – 5.9
Persimmons: 4.4 – 4.7
Pineapple: 3.2 – 4.0
Plums, blue: 2.8 – 3.4
Plums, red: 3.6 – 4.3
Plums, yellow: 3.9 – 4.5
Pomegranate: 2.9 – 3.2

Radishes: 5.8 – 6.0
Rambutan: 4.9
Raspberries: 3.2 – 3.9
Sauerkraut: 3.3 – 3.6
Scallion: 6.2
Spinach: 5.5 – 6.8
Strawberries: 3.0 – 3.9
Sweet potatoes: 5.3 – 5.6
Swiss chard: 6.2 – 6.8
Tangerine: 3.3 – 4.5
Tomatillo: 3.8
Tomatoes: 4.3 – 4.9
Vinegar:  2.4 – 3.4

Walnuts: 5.4
Watercress: 5.9 – 6.2
Watermelon: 5.2 – 5.6
Zucchini (Courgette): 5.7 – 6.1

Non-vegan, potentially raw foods:

Cheese, Camembert: 7.44
Cheese, cheddar: 5.9
Cheese, cottage: 4.75 – 5.0
Cheese, Roquefort: 5.1 – 6.0
Cheese, parmesan: 5.2 – 5.3
Egg white: 7.9
Egg yolk: 6.1
Honey: 3.7 – 4.2
Mackerel: 6.3 – 6.5
Milk, cow: 6.4 – 6.8
Milk, goat: 6.5
Salmon: 5.9 – 6.5
Tuna: 5.9 – 6.2

In addition, many raw foods—especially fruits—are water-rich, so whatever acidity they carry turns into a literal mouthwash when you chew. Bite into a not-quite-ripe orange, for example, and your teeth will receive a complete acid bath, with low-pH juice hitting all surfaces of your teeth before you swallow (and lingering there for a while afterwards). If you eat a diet full of low-pH foods, you’re bound to experience that dreaded tooth sensitivity, and you may eventually notice the tips of your teeth becoming transparent from enamel loss.

The solution? Avoid super-acidic items, go easy on lemon juice and vinegar, and eat your fruit as ripe as possible. Sugar is less damaging to enamel than acid is, so even a minimal-sugar diet with some highly acidic items can cause damage. The worst combination is likely sugar and acidity, which gives bacteria a head-start on enamel erosion (acid) along with supplying it with food (sugar). That makes unripe citrus, grapes, apples, plums, and berries the most damaging of the bunch.

To quickly raise the pH of your mouth after eating (and thus avoid enamel damage), swish your mouth out with a mixture of water and baking soda, which has an alkaline pH of about 8.2. This works wonders.


  1. This pH list is a seed of great worth and based on it, my garden of knowledge will grow. My teeth and I thank you for sharing your research.

  2. This is a great post, Denise. You approach the dental dilemma with academic precision, which is a good thing. I’m into my sixth month as a 100% raw vegan. I have yet to go to the dentist during this period. I’m scared!

    I am a total grazer, but it makes sense that I should curb doing this. In fact, I will stop doing this as a result of your article.

    Take care and keep up the good work! I’m going to tweet this article. Bye for now!

  3. Thank you for this information. Your whole blog is an invaluable resource. It is so refreshing to find raw food advice that isn’t one-sided!

  4. Heya:

    We’ve been really worried about our teeth for the last week, so we’ve started flossing more and we’ve also begin swishing baking soda. Too, we’ve ditched frequent snacking.

    How long do you think it could take to start seeing remineralization of the teeth? The transparent tips are freaking me out!

    Again, love your info!


    1. Depending on what caused the tooth problems, it could take anywhere from a few days to a few weeks to see major improvements. Unfortunately, if there was major enamel loss, that can’t always be repaired—the most you can do is prevent it from getting worse. Sometimes staining on your teeth (especially from greens) can make the transparency on the tips look worse, so you may want to schedule a dental cleaning to see if that improves the appearance of your pearly whites. 🙂

      Also, bear in mind that it’s normal for everyone to have slightly translucent tooth tips: enamel is naturally translucent, and the front teeth have a shield of enamel that extends past the dentin (the solid-looking part of your teeth). When that part of the enamel gets just a little bit thinner, the damage looks much worse than it actually is.

      Also, due to the types of lighting used indoors, it’s much easier to see the transparency in the bathroom mirror than in natural light. Try taking a mirror outdoors for a more realistic assessment of your teeth—it may make you feel better to see they look better than you think!

  5. Just discovered your blog through Whole Health Source. Good stuff!

    Hmmm, nearly all of the acidic foods (pH <5) are fruits.

  6. I had good teeth prior to eating 100% raw vegan,and then onto 801010(high fruit low fat),i ate raw vegan for almost 7 years.One of the issues i am left with from eating this way,is all the damage to my teeth,gum recession,and i am all set up for 3 root canals,have had 4 fillings already.And YES i brush and rinsed after i ate anything,i flossed.
    What a dilemma,it’s all about damage control now,and not eating that way anymore!
    Thanks Denise for this article.

    1. I sympathize with you (I haven’t tried 80/10/10 only higly raw vegetarianism). I’m a med student and as soon as I heard and read about 80/10/10 I though “what a catastrophy”!!!!
      It really is catastrophic on many levels, but mostly for your teeth.
      Having healthy teeth and gums and remineralizing them, includes a diet NOT deprived of healthy fats and -if you’re not a religious vegan/vegetarian- fish oil, vitamins A D E and K, protein, raw greens, CoQ10 (for healthy gums).

      That’s I suggest, having a balanced and nutritious diet with not so much sugar/acidity and more protein instead. Hormonal imbalances can definitely aggravate the problem, so I recommend adding the following to your diet:

      # If you’re a vegan/vegetarian: flaxseed, shatavari for women, healthy fats and daily OIL PULLING (swish some coconut or other cold-pressed oil of your choice in your mouth for 20 minutes and spit), raw greens, soaking grains/seeds/nuts/legumes before cooking/sprouting, eggs, liquid or granular lecithin, kelp, bioflavonoids and antioxidants, turmeric/cayenne/ginger, green tea, calcium supplements.
      #If you’re on a whole foods diet: ^all the above plus Fish oil/Cod liver oil, raw cheese/milk, wild-caught seafood, organ meat.

      Good luck, wish you the best!

      1. If you’re actually studying medicine you must had read or hear about Dr. Thomas Campbell and his investigation, known as The China Study. On these, the myth of proteins had fallen down: we don’t need more than 6% of them from the total consumed calories, as recommended.
        Far of it, we don’t need calcium’s supplements, we need to include green leaves in our diet.
        ¿Have you ever seen Forks over Knives? Every medicine’s student would’ve see it. And you never again prescript more proteins than we need, as usual between docs.
        Dairy, Meat and Proccessed industries have enough power to maintain such a lies out of reach from most of population.
        Personally, I actually continue investigating by myself, studying and incorporating just the proven facts, like that wich established “a whole-plant based diet, with non proccessed foods are the best for human be”.

        1. Fede,

          Since you’re a big fan of Dr. Colin Campbell’s The China Study, you definitely should read Denise Minger’s analysis of it.

          I hope your idea of “the proven facts” is amenable to change when you read analysis that contradicts those “proven facts”.

    2. oh man don’t get the root canals or if you did consider having them removed and replaced by implants. Read Weston Prices research into root canals. They are all infected I removed mine despite my dentists warnings that they were safe. but after they were removed the dentists noticed that they were both infected! So you would be best off avoiding infection in your body. The tooth is already dead in a root canal so you may as well get implants if you can afford it or chew on one side. I chewed on one side for a while and now its not bad I’m used to it and I can always get an implant but I’m glad I had a heart arithmya when I had the root canals In and it stopped after they removed them! (make sure to remove the root canals properly tell dentist to scrap 1 mm of bony socket around tooth., read root canal cover up by George meinig. He is an endodontist that picked up Dr prices research.

      1. I think it’s worth pointing out as well, something that only came to my attention recently, that every time you get a tooth extracted the other teeth start to do better. The reason has got to be that the rest of the system such as the blood connection can look after the remaining teeth better. The proof is that many people who have had many teeth out early in life, often find that the remaining ones replenish and become rock hard. My dad is over 80 and has only false teeth on top and a couple out below as well. However he said that he had almost all of those out early in life (30s or 40s). He eats whatever he wants, including sugary biscuits every day, and he hasn’t even brushed his teeth in decades! Yet the 7 or 8 that remain are in absolute perfect condition, one of his molars is in better condition than I think any single one of my teeth are. My dad never had any poisonous fillings (amalgams or otherwise), never had cancer-inducing x-rays, never got damaging anesthetic put into his mouth, never went through the russian roulette of getting infections from what they do to your teeth. He had his teeth pulled I believe with strings and doors.

        By all mainstream views of dentistry, he should be dead long ago of infection from from not having his remaining teeth out and his teeth should have disintegrated due to taking absolutely no care of them. And yet the teeth remain in perfect condition. This is completely incompatible with the “oral hygiene” hypothesis and instead supports the idea of teeth replenishing themselves and working with the body. Of course there are many observations that fly in the face of the oral hygiene idiocy, for example how the least intelligent of species have perfect teeth into old age and yet never brush them also.

        On realizing this about elderly people I started reading online about teeth in elderly people and it says very little about this observation. Instead I came across things like about how thanks to the WONDERS OF MODERN DENTISTRY many elderly people are now actually retaining some of their “original” teeth. And when this generation of elderly people who have never seen a dentist, never got fillings etc. die out, they’ll be forgotten about and it’ll be assumed they never existed because they couldn’t since they’re incompatible with the theory. Parents who don’t go for dental treatment are considered abusive, the tiny fraction with perfect teeth will be said to have lucky genes, and the nonsense will continue.

        1. If a tooth starts decaying and crumbling, the natural thing to do is to just allow it to die and then there will be more resources for the rest of your teeth. Obviously that would take a lot of courage to do, and I didn’t do it myself when I needed some old fillings that had started crumblings (as happens composites) renewed recently. However I’m just pointing out the option. When I had to get one of my teeth extracted back years and years ago, it had only become painful after dental work. It makes no biological or evolutionary sense for an animal to go around writhing in pain over bad and infected teeth indefinitely, that only occurs after dental work.

          Teeth are truthfully a very fascinating subject on many levels. If only we could see what’s happening to our brains etc., at the same level of detail. The brains of chimpanzees do not disintegrate at all with old age, even by a small bit as was previously assumed and it was a big surprise to nearly all the scientists that they did not, but it wasn’t much of a surprise to me. Only humans disintegrate and degenerate like that over time.

        2. Addressing “every time you get a tooth extracted the other teeth start to do better” … I am a complete amateur but greatly appreciate people like Denise who share their experiences openly … I think teeth are the only living cells in our bodies that do not (or are not capable of ..) replication … it is also known that all the cells in our body work like a team … thus if there are 10 liver cells the nutrition is shared by the 10. Somewhere down the line one or two of the liver cells sense a reduction in their own functionality and feel they are not contributing … such cells commit what is known as apoptosis (cell suicide) the idea being that the nutrients can be better utilized by the 8 others left behind … the example you shared is proof of the biochemistry at a macro level that we can observe. Thank You!

    3. Dentists now suggest you brush BEFORE you eat, not after – because your enamel is weakened after acids in food, brushing them can actually erode the enamel in this state. You should brush (well, “polish” to be more correct) before eating, and floss and rinse your mouth after eating. 🙂

  7. Hi Denise,

    I would like to point out one thing to your readers……bacteria in the mouth do not cause tooth decay! That is a myth that we have all been led to believe, and many people accept it as fact without any further thought. But think about it…….why does fresh fruit spoil, but not dried fruit? Its because the moisture content has been reduced to the point where the sugars naturally present in the fruit prevent bacteria from feeding on the fruit. Sugar has been used as a preservative for this reason. White sugar and white flour have long shelf lives……if bacteria really loved to feed on sugar, that would not be the case. Ramiel Nagel discusses this concept in his book Cure Tooth Decay. Here’s a link to a free excerpt of the book where he talks about sugar and tooth decay:

    Click to access Cure_Tooth_Decay_Preview.pdf

    I’m not trying to suggest that sugar does not cause tooth decay…….it does. But the mechanism by which it causes decay is different than we have been told. And I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter if we eat foods that stick to our teeth.


  8. You should perhaps consider supplementing with vitamin K2 (of the Mk4 and or Mk7 varieties). About two weeks after adding K2 and a bit of butter to my diet, my teeth and gums began to improve quite amazingly. I was no longer feeling that the teeth could be a bit loose, no more gum bleeding …. and, after a few months further, no more flossing for me and no problems so far.

  9. I’m an Anthropology major student, and have to point out that teeth are definitely problematic for humans. Fossils of Homo erectus and heidelbergensis show that the person died of dental abscesses. Our tooth enamel is thin and weak for a primate; chimpanzees and gorillas, which are better adapted to a diet very high in leaves and fruits, have much thicker enamel as well as bigger teeth and way heavier jaw muscles. There was a mutation in the genes controlling jaw musculature back around the time of Homo erectus, and our myosin fibres have been decidedly feeble in comparison to those of earlier hominins ever since.
    Anthropologists can always tell the difference between skeletons of hunter-gatherers and settled agriculturalists by the teeth and bones. H-Gs tend to be taller, sometimes markedly so, have more robust bones, and better teeth. Part of this is the high reliance on grains by S-As, which includes stone-grinding of the grain. Stone dust gets into the flour, and scratches and grinds tooth enamel.

  10. Hi Denise,

    I’ve been reading through your blog and enjoying your writings. Like you, I (and my 3 kids) have been on a Dental Journey – very frustrating, but we’re nearly there. Although we already followed a Weston Price style diet, supplemented with cod liver oil and vitamin D3, brushed/flossed, lots of raw milk, butter etc. We all kept getting decay. What made a big difference for us was nanoparticle-sized mineral supplementation, I blogged about it here:

    And recently I took a second look at fluoride – topical vs. ingested – so we’re testing natural fluoride toothpaste now:

    If you get a chance to read through the Fluoride Report I compiled – let me know your thoughts on it… on my blog or yours!

    Like you, I’m originally an English major, and completely self-taught (through necessity!) in the in the health field. Rock on sister!


  11. Denise, I mainly agree with you, but am 100% against the idea of having a “schedule” for eating and also 100% against the idea that primates get dental problems in the wild. Primates only get dental problems when fed human food.

    I’ve had my teeth filled about two dozen times. One of my teeth had to be removed a few years ago when I went raw and did no brushing at all. The reason for it is that our teeth are MALFORMED from a very young stage of development.

    But if you use Aloe Vera toothpaste, floss sometimes, take magnesium and calcium supplements and very occasionally maybe antiseptic mouthwash like I do… then i defy you to have any dental problems ever.

    I can’t tell enough people this. If you do these things listed above, you WON’T have problems. My dentist told me that I should come back every 6 months and “even that is pushing it”. He told me not to eat grapefruit, not to eat tomatoes too much, he kept telling me to stay off the acidy fruits.

    Denise, you know the anesthetics dentists give you? THEY CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE!!!! ALL OF THEM!!!! Look it up. People just “happen” to develop dementia after them. Young people may seem fine after them but in reality they have lost brain cells and brain function, and these things are about as irreversible as alzheimer’s disease and dementia is.

    I love my teeth, and won’t let anyone touch them ever again. For the first year or year and a half of doing this, I admit I was really, really afraid it wouldn’t work. But it DOES. 100%!!!! On the extremely rare occasions I get a little bit of pain in any of my teeth, I just floss more, maybe take the mouthwash. But I will NEVER be visiting the dentist again.

    1. I find cheese crucial for my diet to keep my teeth in excellent condition. I’ve experienced the similar dental/dietary situation as Denise, and others. I eat plenty of raw fruit and salad-veggies, occasional non-filtered beer, some salt,… and fundamental dairy products, no homogenization.

      1. Have you tried without cheese? If cheese, I’d suggest raw cheese. Mostly, cultures that are the longest lived don’t eat cheese, and only fermented dairy. Much cheese is high in sodium, and many types of rennet are unhealthy. Some think cheese cravings are mostly an addiction. There are studies of cheese linked to poor bone density and teeth issues, as the minerals aren’t easily assimilated. Instead, I’d suggest raw milk and perhaps raw cheese if needed, though in very small doses.

  12. Hello Denise, I’ve read that raisins don’t stick to teeth as much as expected. I couldn’t find information on that, but I did find this:

    Oleanolic Acid, one of the phytochemicals present in raisins, plays crucial role in protecting your teeth against tooth decay, cavities, brittleness of teeth etc. It effectively prevents growth of Streptococcus Mutans and Porphyromonas Gingivalis, two of the species of bacteria which are most responsible for cavities and other dental problems. In addition, it is rich in calcium which is very good for promoting dental health, as it prevents breaking or peeling away of teeth and enamel and makes them strong. One more interesting thing about raisins is that the longer they stick to your teeth, the better, as it ensures longer contact of Oleanolic Acid with the teeth preventing growth of bacteria. In addition to above, boron present in raisins plays a very important role in checking growth of germs in the mouth as well promotes health of bones and teeth.

    1. Hello,
      This applies to people who are older … 50’s and above … I understand that for some reason, the bones of our spinal column and those of our face and mouth (but not the bones of the hearing apparatus) start growing once again (that is why older peoples faces look different … i all I can say)… thus even if ones pearly whites were perfectly lined up in youth and did not allow any debris to collect between them during meals … the story could be different when one got older … as was noted, it is advisable to brush before the meal … then wait for 10 or 20 minutes allowing the post postprandial secretion of saliva to break down any remnants and then just rinse out or lightly brush once again. It is also advised to use only smooth brushes or even ones index finger (this also provides a modicum of gum exercise).

  13. I am quite confused, after 1 year of being raw my teeth have become terribly painful and sensitive :((
    I don’t know what to do, some researches say dates and resins actually help the teeth , some other vegan say they destroy teeth.
    I know a 90 yrs old vegan man who eats lots of resins and dates a day and perfect teeth, then Why my teeth are decaying?
    I am quite confused 😦

  14. “I am quite confused, after 1 year of being raw my teeth have become terribly painful and sensitive 😦 (
    I don’t know what to do, some researches say dates and resins actually help the teeth , some other vegan say they destroy teeth.
    I know a 90 yrs old vegan man who eats lots of resins and dates a day and perfect teeth, then Why my teeth are decaying?
    I am quite confused :(”

    Do you floss? Do you use aloe vera toothpaste? Do you supplement with a little magnesium + calcium just in case you don’t have enough of these minerals?

    The other great apes eat really acidy fruit and have zero problems with their teeth. However we are different since we were brought up on a western diet and our teeth are brittle and malformed from the beginning. It doesn’t take gross deformities Dr. Weston Price style to have malformed and brittle teeth. If it weren’t for braces (and other dental work), a lot more dental deformaties would be visible in western teeth.

    But after taking these things and doing these things I never, ever, ever have to go to see a dentist anymore. SOMETIMES, like when I don’t take calcium + magnesium, my teeth can get slightly sore, but always quickly repaired. Please do these things… I wish someone had told me about these things when I was younger so I didn’t go for literally dozens of fillings of my teeth including one extracted. Sometimes I do wonder about flossing and wonder if it changes the shape of my gums a bit… but something about my system is working and I’m not going to change it, flossing is required to get the deep-down bacteria…once Listerine actually tried to run an ad campaign saying their stuff was as good as flossing but were not allowed to!!! In fact I kind of like flossing sometimes, it makes me think about things, especially health-related. I just wish there could be a similar definite fix for getting rid of the micro-organisms/bacteria in your brain that cause brain cell death, alzheimers, etc.

    1. Don’t take calcium dug up from limescale. Look it up. Calcification, from calcium supplements, is the most controversial topic according to Harvard. We need to decalcify and add plant based minerals into our diets.

  15. Just like to clarify: my teeth NEVER get sore anymore while I do this. Not even a little. I can eat the hardest apples there are without a bother.

    The dental ads on tv about synthetic toothpastes cause me to get really upset sometimes. Aloe Vera toothpaste is known to do better than synthetic trials, as you can find on pubmed. They also say extremely nasty things about fruit acids.

    I am not fully raw, but that doesn’t make a difference because I eat tons of extremely acidy fruit and also lots of raw figs. There is nothing in cooked food that could help your teeth and nobody claims there is…. typical people have all sorts of dental problems also as I did, and which put me off eating apples and other fruit for so long. 😦

  16. Guys I have been on raw vegan diet for 1,5 year , eating a good combination of foods , beushing, flossing all the time and I lost 5 teeth.
    This diet IS defficient.
    I have already started taking calcium, vitaminD,K2 supplemets, it helped 20% but I am still in pain.

  17. Thank you for posting this. I’ve been raw for quite a while, doing juice fasts, onto water fasts, tried the all fruit diet, adding in super-foods, lots of minerals, seaweeds, etc. It’s been fun really. But the past month my teeth, overnight, went super sensitive, to drastic gum decay, the cold air hurts! I’m backing off of the raw for a while, adding bone broth, “medicinal meat” I call it. I’m studying Ayurveda, and although I love the idea of the raw food diet, I feel it has it’s place and time, and is not for everyone. I will still incorporate my favs, like growing my own wheat grass, sprouts, seaweeds, super-foods, but as winter comes, my body is clearly asking me to rebuild bone density and much more. I booked an appt. with a natural dentist for a check up and am excited to go. Life is a journey and it’s fun to try things on, I see this all as a learning experiment. If I can give any advice, do what your instincts tell you. It’s better to be safe than right!!!
    Good luck with everyones journeys

  18. “But the past month my teeth, overnight, went super sensitive, to drastic gum decay, the cold air hurts! I’m backing off of the raw for a while, adding bone broth, “medicinal meat” I call it.”

    There is nothing in raw food that will do this, that’s a superstition/myth with zero basis whatsoever. Cooked food will cause a build up of acid in your body which can lead to bone loss. Your teeth would be worse if you had cooked food. There is zero rationale for saying that raw food will cause this, it’s a crazy idea frankly.

    “but as winter comes, my body is clearly asking me to rebuild bone density and much more.”

    Then you should keep away from cooked food. You can take extra calcium and magnesium as a supplement if you want, that’s what I do. And you need to floss and take aloe vera toothpaste also. My teeth went from being so extremely sensitive and painful all the time I used to eat a SAD to being absolutely perfect by following this and a proper diet that is mostly raw and the only unraw parts having nothing to do with my teeth.

    “If I can give any advice, do what your instincts tell you. It’s better to be safe than right!!!”

    My instincts would tell me to keep eating junk food and high sugar foods and milk if I didn’t know any better. Going with your instincts is incredibly good when you are eating all natural food, otherwise you cannot trust your instincts. Otherwise you could just eat anything you ever felt like and all Americans would be in amazing health.

    If you want to be safest, then you should keep away from cooked foods. The only possible thing I would suggest about raw, is possibly to keep away from highly acidy fruit until your teeth are better.

    Talking about cooked foods like they are the straight and narrow is just an example of the ludicrous ideas most people have about food. It’s raw food that is the straight and narrow, and what we are evolved to eat, and what our ancestors have been eating for millions of years. It’s the cooking of food that is eccentric crackpot nonsense and nobody knows what it’s doing or the full implications and it’s extremely dangerous. Raw is NORMAL, it is the default.

    1. Padraig you sound loony.
      You should know ‘Chris’ who posts on ‘Give it to me Raw’ and 30BAD, you guys write like you would be buddies.
      The human lineage owes it’s evolution to the making and use of tools and fire, including substantial making and consumption of cooked food. We are omnivores who cook the majority of our food because that’s generally what works for best overall health and ‘productivity in life’, most of the time, at least over the long term. That has been the world-wide status quo for apparently hundreds of thousands of years with our genus. And that makes a difference with our evolution, biologically, physiologically, and culturally. Standards rule, in a variety of ways.

    2. I completely agree with you about raw food … after all as you say, our ancestors ate only raw food … but it was all FRESH off the vine or shell … the reason for cooking food is more cultural rather than natural … and I believe that as cooking (one reason is to do the bacteria in and another is to mask damage already done …) done in many parts of the world (at higher temperatures) actually reduces nutrition … say by denaturing vitamins

      … Thanks!

  19. Did you know the human fetus requires a calcium: phosphorus ratio of 1.7:1 for optimal mineralization during bone formation? Human bone averages a 1.5:1 ratio. Unless your diet has a calcium: phosphorus ratio between 1.5:1 to 1.7:1 you will have less than optimal results in maintaining good bones and teeth, no matter how much acid gets on your teeth. There is only one type of food on the planet that will provide you with the proper ratio: dark leafy greens like kale, bok choy, collards, etc. Simple romaine, celery, and broccoli won’t do it…they have ratios of only about 1.3:1 (same as unpasteruzied dairy) while the former greens have ratios of 2.5:1 to 3:1 or more. Do the math, plan out your diet, stick to foods with lower phosphorus levels (macadamias and coconuts are lower by calorie) and eat 2 large servings of dark greens a day; one blender full of green smoothie and a large tub of salad should do it.

      1. Spinach is valuable for many other nutrients, but because of its high oxalic acid level, calcium from spinach is not well absorbed. Cooking in general tends to reduce the bioavailability of all minerals in food, gradually returning these minerals back to their inorganic state as they exist in soil. For example, pasteurizing milk is well known to reduce milk’s calcium bioavailability.

        1. From my research, spinach contains oxalic acid which corrodes the tooth. Tests were run along with rhubarb leaves which left large cavities in the simulated teeth. The oxalic acid does not result in any meaningful deposits onto the tooth, and any calcium deposits are from the oxalic acid binding with pure calcium which are quickly removed through brushing. This effectively means you are converting your tooth to oxalates and removing it through brushing.

  20. To anyone reading this post I suggest further reading. A well written book about fighting the tooth decay caused from harmful bacteria and an acid oral environment is “Kiss your dentist goodbye” by Ellie Phillips. She promotes the use of xylitol and rinses. It has done wonders for my sensitive teeth which are now becoming more opaque as well in a very short time.

  21. I no longer follow a raw foods diet due to the various problems associated with the absence of fat-soluble minerals and the abundance of acids, sugars and antinutrients in the raw diet. If you’re eating nuts, grains or legumes that are uncooked, you’re consuming large quantities of phytic acid which interferes with mineral absorption. Soaking is not adequate – doing a Google search will quickly show that removing phytate is not a simple process, usually requiring many steps of soaking, germinating, cooking for long periods, grinding, and fermenting. The main problem with tooth decay – and for that matter, bone demineralization – involves, of course, minerals. Acids are problematic to be sure but calcium, phosphorous, vitamin D and vitamin K are essential. The latter require FAT in the diet and the vitamin K needs to be in an assimilable form – the form of which is not present in any plants. This is why an optimal diet includes animal products.

    I will quote Stephan Guyenet at wholehealthsource regarding the Mellanby study, in which researchers reversed tooth decay in children by reducing phytate and increasing fat-soluble vitamins with dairy, eggs and so forth:

    “Bread and oatmeal were replaced by potatoes, milk, meat, fish, eggs, butter and vegetables. The diet is reminiscent of what Dr. Weston Price used to reverse tooth decay in his dental clinic in Cleveland, although Price’s diet did include rolls made from freshly ground whole wheat. Price also identified the fat-soluble vitamin K2 MK-4 as another important factor in tooth decay reversal, which would have been abundant in Mellanby’s studies due to the dairy. The Mellanbys and Price were contemporaries and had parallel and complementary findings. The Mellanbys did not understand the role of vitamin K2 in mineral metabolism, and Price did not seem to appreciate the role of phytic acid from unsoaked whole grains in preventing mineral absorption.

    Here are two sample meals provided in Dr. Mellanby’s paper. I believe the word “dinner” refers to the noon meal, and “supper” refers to the evening meal:

    Breakfast- Omelette, cocoa, with milk.
    Lunch- Milk.
    Dinner- Potatoes, steamed minced meat, carrots, stewed fruit, milk.
    Tea- Fresh fruit salad, cocoa made with milk.
    Supper- Fish and potatoes fried in dripping, milk.

    Breakfast- Scrambled egg, milk, fresh salad.
    Dinner- Irish stew, potatoes, cabbage, stewed fruit, milk.
    Tea- Minced meat warmed with bovril, green salad, milk.
    Supper- Thick potato soup made with milk.

    In addition, children received vitamin D daily”

    This article can be found here:

    It’s very informative and in fact, Stephan Guyenet is a neurobiologist with some incredibly useful information regarding tooth decay and development. (I’m not him or represent him, however his blog was a big factor in my decision to disregard raw veganism.)

    I strongly urge those people considering a raw foods diet, or who are having problems with a current raw vegan diet, to research other avenues and do not listen to the zealots who will promulgate these ideas without citing any evidence.

  22. Hi there, great article.
    I’d love to know your opinion on eating tahini/peanut butter with fruit. I often eat peanut butter with apples and tahini with bananas. What do you think this does to teeth? I’m not sure if it’s acidic, but it is sticky!
    Thanks for any info.

  23. Low Immunoglobulin A levels leads to an overgrowth of harmful bacteria and then the development of cavities from the harmful bacteria producing acids from sugars.

    Vitamin D deficiency is the culprit behind low Immunoglobulin A.

  24. I have been told something similar by my dentist. However, if there are 14 cavities, perhaps, as my dentist said to me, this problem has been building up for years, probably before you started eating raw food.

  25. Denise,

    Don’t know if anybody here talked about Dr. Ellie Phillips’s Clean White Teeth protocol, but your explanation dovetails with hers, although she’s a pretty awesome dentist and a pioneer in the use of xylitol in the US.

    You can find out more info on her website. I’m not trying to market her or anything, so I won’t even put a link here. But she can be found on Google.

  26. just wondering what cavemen used to brush their teeth ?
    they didnt!!
    and I will assume that they didnt get tooth decay.
    why on earth would teeth decay from eating the food that we are supposed to eat.?
    i think its logical to guess that teeth dont need brushing ever (providing that we eat fresh food that grows from the earth, (without oils or sauce or condiments).
    some of the Egyptian mummies teeth are in fantastic condition (from 3000 years ago!!!) explain that to me !!
    how is it possible that raw foodists (if not cheating) can get tooth decay?
    i have been eating raw food for years now and my teeth are fine.
    my skin and teeth and everything is way better than it used to be. I dont understand how everyone says raw food gives bad teeth! I am living proof its fine.
    i do brush and floss.
    but I see some people really knocking raw food. i have never experienced any of their claims.

  27. Oh man, I wish I had read this earlier. I ate tomatos while watching a movie, but fell asleep during the movie. I just woke up feeling really dehydrated and with upsettingly dark yellow teeth with white splotches (probably from a fluoride rinse I used earlier in the day). I feel like I’m about to cry.

  28. No more flossing?? Why in the world would you stop flossing, no matter what your diet? Flossing is 100 times more important than brushing.

  29. Thank you for this. I have NEVER had any cavities in my 20 years of life… Then I started eating raw food, drinking smoothies daily (my main source of food) and to my dismay discovered I have about 7 teeth showing signs of dismay. I’m still a little angry about it. No part of the research I do daily said anything about tooth decay on a raw diet. Now I’ve got to figure this out. Is there any way to reverse the brown spots of decay on teeth? I am so lost when it comes to cavities. 😦

    1. Teeth take a long time to develop cavities. You cant expect it to happen in a year or less. And eating a raw diet of just fruits will make your body highly acidic. This will cause your body to use calcium from your bones. You need to have a balanced raw food diet of 50/50 vegetables/fruits. Preferably higher on the vegetables.

  30. This is a very brilliant post. I suffered a lot of enamel damage when I befriended people about 13 years ago who counseled me to eat raw lemon peel dipped in sugar as an antidote to winter colds, etc. I have recently gone into a lot of debt for urgent dental procedures to help remedy this “helpful” advice. You are a blessed source of good information!

  31. I’ve been to a lecture of a woman who is on raw food since 4 years. I have never seen a westerner with worse teeth than hers. Also her skin was super dry, almost like psoriasis, her hair brittle.

    I’m vegan since 8 weeks, no dried fruit, stopped coffee, stopped alcohol, very little sugar … and since about 6 weeks my teeth are sensitive and almost painful.

    I worry a lot about this. I do not want to develop cavities, that would be a nightmare. I bought Ramien Nagel’s book and the expensive fermented cod liver oil. I’m taking it since a couple of days now but so far feel no difference in my teeth yet. I think I should feel less pain, but don’t.

    1. Do you have a health specialist that you go to? Even if you go on a raw diet you should still have regular checkups to see if your body is working properly. There is no way to know why your teeth is sensitive without a checkup. In general though, you should understand how your body processes food and make sure that process is functioning properly.

      Is your digestive health good? Do you get lots of exercise? Do you sit for long periods of time? Have you had a blood test to determine if you’re low on anything? Do you expose your skin to natural light? Do you overindulge in fruits and not enough vegetables? Do you consume too much sugar? Sugar by itself, although used as an energy source can help deplete minerals. So an adequate supply of minerals from your food is needed. Your body can also get energy from fat and it won’t overwork your body from having to decrease the acidity that processing sugar causes. Processed saturated fat is very bad. unprocessed cold pressed virgin oil is best for a fat source.

      Teeth are formed with silica, calcium, phosphorus, and vitamins A, C, and D. You need a good source of these vitamins and minerals. Even raw food s can be deficient if the soil it was grown in was lacking these vitamins or minerals. You could also have genes that affect your body’s processing of certain vitamins and minerals (every person has a different genetic makeup). What if you can’t process the calcium? Thats why you have a checkup, to uncover these types of things. Science is a good thing.

      Your digestive health is influenced heavily by good bacteria or digestive flora. You can be a super healthy person and not be able to process milk protein if you don’t have the bacteria in your gut to break down lactose. Antibiotics wipe out this flora. You would need to repopulate it if you lost that bacteria and your appendix didn’t have a good backup supply of your healthy bacteria. You can’t get all the bacteria you need from yogurt. commercial yogurt only has a few bacteria. Your gut should have more than billions of different types of bacteria. You usually get a lot of that bacteria from mothers breast milk.

      I like getting locally farmed foods and if the farmer uses good practices, such as crop rotation then usually mineral content is usually not a problem. Preferable for them not to spray any type of pesticides (natural or unnatural).

      Now getting a good source of food is important for your body, but also removing toxins is another important aspect of your health. I have heard that Indians used to use a little clay with their food to protect themselves from any poison in food. Clay is interesting in that it trades negatively charged minerals for positively charged toxins. Oceanic level clay is bad due to pollution. Volcanic clay is usually better because there is minimal or nonexistent pollutants. If I remember correctly scientists used clay to absorb the positive radiation from the chernobyl nuclear disaster. I’m not sure but they may have had people consume bentonite clay to deal with the radiation poisoning people had.

      The only sure way to know is have a checkup with someone that wants to help you continue on your preferred diet.

  32. I am not a raw foodist, just a fan. I love the idea of being able to eradicate any disease or ailment simply by diet and having had absolutely devastating eating habits I made a few changes in favor of raw. I still eat a lot of cooked food and have even increased the intake of fish (so lack of meat should not be a problem either) after being a vegetarian for about 20 years. All well, but soon after changing my eating habits I started losing hair and my gums started receding big time. I googled to see if there were any reports that eating pure raw food would help me, but as it came out, those seem to be the very problems of the raw food eaters.

    I don’t think the reason is bad hygiene, though it sure is important (my teeth cleaning habits haven’t changed one bit and I ate tons of sugar before). It must be something that makes the tissue weak and vulnerable. Perhaps the lack of collagen? Something else? I wish they find out before I lose my teeth 🙂

  33. Interesting post with a lot of good information. Researching dental remineralization has changed a lot of my nutritional ideas, especially since I have done some reading on phytic acid. For those of you that don’t know various plants contain varying amounts of phytic acid which binds to calcium and other nutrients. It has been found that whole grains and brown rice actually contain larger amounts of this than processed white flour and white rice.So in the case of dental health white rice lacking in nutrients may be better. I have also experimented with a grain free diet, oil pulling, calcium supplements, and cod liver oil. Unfortunately raw dairy is hard to come by and fermented cod liver is very expensive!

  34. Hi there,
    I stumbled across this post just recently and am soo happy that I found it. Very informative and helpful! It seems like the link the Frugivore Mag isn’t working though. Could you please kindly double check?
    Many thanks,
    Jana 🙂

  35. Dr. Loren Lockman suggests that if we gave the teeth the sufficient amount of time after each raw meal, after the fruits had eliminated the surface layer of the teeth with their acids, this layer is going to reform, and this time with better health. He complains he had 15 cavities that vanished with raw diet. And he advises to not use any kind of dental care, especially after the meal when the teeth is much weaker due to the absence of the protective layer, and after the layer is reformed, only brush gently with water.
    The floss and the toothpaste are the cause for those cavities, not the protect from them.

    Happy Health! 🙂

  36. Very interesting article. I can relate to it. I am experiencing the same problems you described in the article. Right now I am paying more attention to my eating habits.
    How are your teeth now?

  37. I think the reason that the body loses calcium in the teeth during a raw food diet is because the body is using that calcium to repair other organs and tissues. After about 6 months of fruit eating, my left front tooth became more transparent, but my middle left fingernail came in a layer thicker. The degenerated organs are healing, and using up the calcium, which is a problem if you’re not replenishing it. After that, about 6 months after, the tooth improved and got a shade whiter. Dr. Morse says that one of his patients remineralized their teeth on a fruit diet to such an extent that their cavities popped out. That being said, Dr. Morse had to have his teeth replaced with veneers I believe, which I believe he attributes to his lack of fidelity to the raw fruit diet. Just another perspective. It’s not necessarily detoxing that is causing tooth decay, but tissue repair. The body intelligence is setting priorities, and repairing vital organs at the expense of the teeth, which are less vital, and this makes sense on some level. I also had one tooth in the rear that was gray and split in two, ‘dead’, but I refused a root canal because I’d read about it. Now it is tooth colored again and I can sometimes chew on it. I did incorporate some xylitol in the beginning, though I found it to be toxic eventually in the doses I was using it at, and Spry gum contains a whitener that is carcinogenic. So that contributed to removing harmful bacteria from the mouth at the onset.

    In other words, keep looking for pieces, but my suggestion is don’t give up on the raw diet for healing. It heals just about anything, we just need to refine the long term solution.

    My spine has opened up in untold ways, posture improved, a broken neck bone healed and improved position, skin improved, hair thickened, lunula came back to nails, bloat improved, much congestion cleared from head and lungs, vision improved, energy improved, frequent urination gone, body fat improved, knee pain gone, foot pain gone, I can breathe more deeply. I never drink water, or thirst. I take some herbs medicinally. In my experience, more mineral rich than any cultivated greens are the wild herbs. I find some in my yard, grow some, buy some dry and blend them into my smoothies, with berries, like hawthorn, elder, bilberry, along with nettle, alfalfa, plantain, etc, depending on what I’m working on.

    This is all after just about two years on mostly fruit, some greens, some ‘cheat’ days with grains or potatoes. I don’t ‘graze’, I mostly do intermittent fasting and then eat fruit when called, or fruit juices, which I make in a Greenstar, twin gear juicer.

    The ideal foods for me have been concord grapes, oranges (ripe), wild blackberries, wild blueberries, dates and bananas as fillers, figs, unpasteurized orange juice, melons. I use large salads, which are now fruit based (heirloom tomatoes, cucumbers, with some sprouts, spinach greens, olive oil, orange juice, honey). No dairy or animal products at all.

    I hope this supports.

    PS. I tried the 80/10/10 diet years ago, and found it unsustainable. It’s more about force feeding calories rather than the subtle energetics of the raw food. I had much more success after reading Ehret and Dr. Morse. Oh, also I did the Gerson diet for the first 2 months, with a green juice, with green apple, every waking hour. Perhaps that ritual helped me.

    1. I speak from extensive personal experience, my own flesh, blood, bone, dental experience. If you talk about studies,… you don’t know. I know, and have found studies very incomplete. I’m not addicted. I’m very prudent. And I thrive. I learned what didn’t allow me to thrive, which involved my exploration of ‘extremes’,.. i.e. fruit diet, raw food diet,… etc. vegan of the sort.
      I let my body reveal, and it does. Balance. Raw milk is part of my diet. I find homogenized milk not as good for my body, but it can be acceptable if no other option of the milk type is available, on occasion (plant ‘milks’ don’t count, except if other options (bovine) aren’t available). Pasteurized can be acceptable but not as good as good raw milk, but butter than homogenized(plus pasteurized). Quality cheese is good food. I know what I’m talking about. I’ve been hardcore on these experiences, awareness, sensitivities,… and developing understandings, since the mid 1980’s. It’s a personal interest. The relationship of diet to disease due to how the foods are processed or processable in ones body, along with the balance and quantity consumed.
      Your body reveals.

  38. I don’t get it. they’re just teeth. when I went vegan I wanted to reduce my footprint on this planet. The best way to do that is shorter life cycle at the top of the food chain, and in my next incarnation live lower on the food chain for less time as well. why should I out live a cow? ~50 years is enough for my teeth even with “high vegan wear” as long as I get filled. Also, vegans should learn to go without Novocaine and other footprint heavy pharmaceutical niceties. when I had my root canal without the harmful numbing agents the pain actually became another sensation as I meditated and I had a connection with my past life (and death) as a swallow in china. Not that I, as a bird then, had teeth to hurt then but I was hit by a large farming truck under my bridge, left to lay and die in a mud puddle for hours. I saw my children in the nest I had made from that very puddle and knew they would continue the circle of life without “me” as I was. It was a vivid flashback that has compelled me to take my current human children to the province in china this summer in hopes that they can see their great-great…great cousins and ponder this cycle. Think about the bigger picture and stop being that consumer that needs to smell and look a certain way. We vegans need change all of our consumptions and assumptions in life.

  39. You didn’t mention phytates- the most important likely. The nuts and seeds contain tremendous amounts. Even soaking doesn’t remove all. Best to eat them in extreme moderation. And pump up with bit a d k as u said

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